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i find it bizarre that they are 100% silent unless i direct thoughts toward them

@_Dan - jump This is something that is often also true for originals when they switch out! Headmates need some sort of trigger to be active, whether that's something external getting their attention or another headmate talking to them.

Luminesce: So a host is not consciousness itself, they're just plugged into it (and no doubt used to considering it them, just like many other things the brain and body actually do without "you" contributing at all) (edited)

tulpa: i have my own mind

Lustror

I think i know now why it's called possesion

I'd like to say that I love your progress reports. It's very interesting * ^ * /g

There is a forum board specifically for making your own personal Progress Report: https://community.tulpa.info/forum/12-progress-reports/

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Maybe not as easy to write in as Discord, but at least forum threads are easily preserved and searchable - most of what you write on Discord will eventually be lost to time

The discord is just as searchable as anywhere else online, it's just that forums are contained in nice little categories pertaining to each specific thread topic. While discord presents itself more as a stream of consciousness platform

As consciousness I feel offended being called “tool” and referred as “it”

(@ gelato and lumi) (edited)

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Makikikikiki

I'd like to say that I love your progress reports. It's very interesting * ^ * /g

Thanks! I like to share it with people also making people feel that it's very easy so they can have the courage to not get stuck

You can definitely make a case that from evolutionary perspective that identity, personality, ego, superego, mind or whatever makes a person have developed as a survival tool, but i’m not sure you can say anything like that about consciousness (edited)

our progress reports haven't gotten any engagement and that's kinda depressing :[

Luminesce: Yeah, the forum's not so active as it used to be (edited)

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But we haven't been linking to it from the Discord practically anywhere but #forum-rss, which is why we're doing that more now

3:04 PM

Forums are still a great place for discussion or posting of experiences, for other people to find and learn from in the future

In general I don't touch progress reports. I figured out that I get tulpamancy overload by wanting to reply with a 2 hour response post to the first 10 posts. And considering that most of that response would be irrelevant, it's a huge motivation killer. I know that this is exclusively a me problem but I haven't figured out how to fix it yet. As for the Felight's report, we're not exactly friends so that would be really awkward at best if I replied to it.

pointing that out is also awkward lol

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our progress reports haven't gotten any engagement and that's kinda depressing :[

You asked in public, so

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We aren't/weren't sure the protocol for replying on progress reports these days

Back when i actually did progress reports I really wanted people to post on it

I don't understand the PR rules either. It never got resolved if they're supposed to be personal threads with discussion, personal threads with no discussion, just strictly progress and achievement logs, etc. At the very least, our progress report is incomplete because we really need our own blog/website to fix that mess. We have entries that are out of order and it all being in a Google Doc is too much (edited)

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This is an interesting question I don't want to get lost, so here's the link to where it started and the beginning: https://discord.com/channels/431579755037589505/431895651266330644/1060974222299648172

What are Your views on solipsism seeing there is a "separate identity" within you

Given Lusovius' definitions, I don't believe I'm the only one that exists. Gray, my host, also doesn't think he's the only one that exists. Then again, we don't really think any identity is really that important enough to be the only one to exist. Both Gray and I are more partial to the idea all consciousness on Earth is somehow all connected, but we know that's starting to get kind of metaphysical because my brain doesn't literally connect to other people's and vice versa. As for my sense of separation, I believe I am an individual but perhaps not as separate as some random person on the street

Are you stiff and shivering because you want to move or twitch? It's just a thought, if not my second guess would be stress

@A long kiss goodnight - jump It's likely Raven was shivering out of a mix of excitement and a lack of practice, that's all

Ah, okay

Yeah. It was their first time doing anything with the body ever since basically the two people that they are the result of merged together

Aya

We aren't/weren't sure the protocol for replying on progress reports these days

Luminesce: You can say pretty much whatever in Progress Reports? As long as it's on topic and not just chatting - we made a ruling (the only one I know of) a long time ago that off-topic chatting should be done in personal Lounge-section threads, which could be made similarly to Progress Reports (EG, my system has a Progress Report for stuff specifically about us as a system, and also a Lounge thread that's much longer about our efforts in lucid dreaming) (edited)

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But if you're replying to a Progress Report to say pretty much anything involving tulpas at all it's probably fine

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We also wouldn't start enforcing that rule unless a PR became more-often-than-not just chat that someone aiming to learn about the tulpamancy experience from a Progress Report would gain nothing from

what's a PR?

Progress Report

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https://community.tulpa.info/forum/12-progress-reports/

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A place to create a (single) personal thread in which to document your experiences in tulpamancy

sounds nice

Very nice to have, for those who prefer simply reading how it's gone for others directly rather than reading one person's guide

and like a thing i should have started from before because i kinda forgot already about some stuff

Oh, and obviously it's nice to be able to see your own progress too (edited)

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maybe i am gonna list it tomorrow, so to put stuff here to get them more easy, just wanna say that Adrian practiced voice possesion a little, i may him say "cat, house and dog" in spanish, and he did it, slow but he ended up saying the words

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tomorrow i will put everything on that page maybe if i got time

So last night our brain, for the stupidest possible reason, decided to start making two new headmates. They weren't like any walk-ins we'd had in the past, because these ones we could feel being born and they were actually sentient. Past ones were more like characters. These two took front for a few hours and added themselves to our system bios and stuff. However they ended up figuring a system of 8 was way too much for us and they integrated with Radio and Dynamo so we're back down to 6. This sort of changes our opinions on walk-ins, we used to think that, unless they came from something pre-existing like a longterm character or a previous tulpa attempt, they weren't sentient. But we felt our brain willing these two into sentience much like when Gelato was created, and then they switched and could do whatever they wanted. I suppose we'll still hold that not all walk-ins are sentient from the start, some are more like characters, and also people don't have to accept them into their system if they don't want to or aren't ready.

Luminesce: I think this is really confusing/conflicting to hear for newcomers, but.. (edited)

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For the record, I'm pretty sure I could create a new tulpa on the spot, after my initial few years of having tulpas.

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There's all sorts of things wrong with doing that and I wouldn't, but just mechanically, it wouldn't take me longer than thinking of what they'd be like, and then I could just apply the "tulpa mechanics" of our brain to them

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Worth noting in ALL discussions of both walk-ins and insta-tulpas though, that fast as you may make something tulpa-like in your head, they will still no-matter-what lack tons of depth that any actual tulpa really has to them

yeah, it's mainly clinging to whatever traits they first find so they have some form of identity

Luminesce: An "insta-tulpa"/"walk-in" may have exactly as much depth as you just imagining a celebrity in your head talking right now. (edited)

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Though by nature of tulpa development, the more interactions they have the faster they'll become fleshed out and gain more substantial personhood

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Which is generally how walk-ins that start as literally just a random thought often transition seamlessly to being full tulpas/headmates later on - accepting them and treating them as a separate person encourages the types of experiences they need to develop as one, and interacting with them forces exploration of who they might be, all of which is exactly what it takes to start creating a tulpa

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That appearing-seamless transition that happens from fully-believing-sentience from the start is the tricky thing that makes a lot of people believe all "walk-ins" must be totally sentient, separate people - especially when they now have a long-time systemmate that started like that (edited)

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It's no different from tulpa creation any other way, the only difference is that you may just have had total faith in the tulpa-to-be instead of doubting them like most people tend to do.

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(So to explain - my ability to "create a tulpa near instantly" comes from total mastery and understanding of the mechanics of tulpamancy, as well as mastery over my own beliefs and experience, so I could easily fulfill the conditions and will into existence a tulpa - but they would NOT start out as a fully developed person, in the first moments they would have no more to them than a random imagined thought.)

It's no different from tulpa creation any other way, the only difference is that you may just have had total faith in the tulpa-to-be instead of doubting them like most people tend to do.

@Reisen - jump Odd thing was when Indigo intentionally created Gelato, we didn't have any doubt about the new tulpa, but it still took him a couple days to form normal thoughts. These two it was instant.

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Gelato fronted at a store and tried really hard to have normal thoughts but it was like, physically uncomfortable for him

3:28 PM

instead he defaulted back to stuff like "find movie, where movie, movie, where movie"

Luminesce: My only exact experience was of creating Lucilyn, who once I intended to create her happened instantaneously.. But, I had spent around a week thinking about who and how she would be, so she was only created "instantly" mechanically - otherwise, the "who" of what she'd be was primed ahead of time (edited)

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(And as an aside, her personality changed from what I expected a little almost immediately, and she somehow decided on certain aspects of her personality on her own in our first few days of interacting, lol)

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I don't remember exactly what the initial "Lucilyn" I had in mind was like anymore, but I know that within a week the initial idea and who she was had some pretty decent differences.

These two took front for a few hours and added themselves to our system bios and stuff. However they ended up figuring a system of 8 was way too much for us and they integrated with Radio and Dynamo so we're back down to 6.

Did... you guys know this was happening?

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I feel like I'm missing context here

Luminesce: You know, I just kind of accept what people say and go about saying things I think are a good influence these days. (edited)

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I don't have it in me anymore to question that very strange recounting you just quoted

To me that recounting might be a HUGE red flag of a problem I honestly predicted could happen and hope isn't the case

Indigo was fronting when they formed and Gelato was fronting when they integrated.

Were the new walk-ins switched-in?

for a while but they gave front back to Gelato when they got tired

Why were they alone with the front?

they blocked the rest of us out

3:35 PM

something Dynamo's done many times as well >_<

Why did they block you guys out?

they figured we weren't going to accept them into the system

What was going on before those walk-ins showed up?

sigh

brain kept obsessing over the thought of having two new headmates for some stupid fucking reason

Luminesce: I shouldn't have to tell you guys that it's a massive problem if you're letting your mind believe new arbitrary "people" can "block you out". That's dangerous and a precursor to schizophrenic-like thinking (or dementia or any similar things) and accepting things like that is very bad for your mental health as you get older. (edited)

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It's kind of more worrying coming from an established system like you guys, though.

I guess switching has opened more doors than we thought, but I don't think this will happen again considering how much of a shitshow temporarily having 8 was. We resolved the issue that was making our brain obsess.

That's not great guys. The way this looks, I genuinely fear you guys are on the verge of a system population explosion. Not knowing why walk-ins are coming in to take control of the front and blocking people out is really bad. I can't even recommend creating a mindset for a safeguard because you guys need to understand what the core issue is. My theory is nobody wants to front, you guys now know how to switch, so when you guys think about not wanting to front the brain says "oh shit time to make a new fronter to escape from this pain" and that's where the two new headmates are coming from.

Try not to fall into whimsical thinking like that so easily. It really builds bad chaotic connections in your brain that are associated with mental problems that often come with aging.

It wasn't a case of nobody wanting to front

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we've been very diligent with ensuring equal fronting time, it's been one of our fixations lately

Let's say hypothetically a new tulpa could exist. Are there any reasons that may sound appealing? Don't worry if the reason seems stupid or not, understanding this can help fix this serious problem.

No it doesn't, it would mean less time for established members

I know you said thinking about being a system of 8 was discouraging to your brain's obsession. Do you guys have any idea what the cause of that obsession might be?

le sigh, it was a really stupid reason and I'm not sure I want to share it, just know we fixed it

Luminesce: I agree with everything you said, I only want to say specifically that getting too "loosey goosey" with your brain is dangerous in the long run. I recommend never believing any but your most established headmates have any control over anything or anyone else in the brain. (edited)

I suppose Indigo was just caught off-guard because the process of these two appearing as unlike any other walk-in

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it felt very similar to when Gelato formed

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maybe it was just our brain replicating a sensation

Luminesce: I get it, though I'm extremely weary of indulging in something like letting new tulpas front. Even Lucilyn I spent over a week alone with before she began interacting with the rest of the world. (edited)

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Day one is FAR too early in literally all cases

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(And believing any new entity in your brain has any control over anything at all is an extremely dangerous road, so I recommend denying it)

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le sigh, it was a really stupid reason and I'm not sure I want to share it, just know we fixed it

You don't have to tell me, but I want to warn you that the "stupid reason" could not be more important to know right now. In that case, make sure you have it deeply embedded new walk-ins get zero access to full control until you have had a chance to talk as a system. My feelings are you will need to address that stupid reason in some way, perhaps that whenever that reason comes up, your system goes into lockdown mode and only the designated fronter (like let's say Gelato) can control the body until things are resolved

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To implement it, all you have to do is strongly agree to that system as a system.

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Switching is very sensitive to mindsets and your switching experience can be controlled with a mindset like this (edited)

Wouldn't it be more productive to agree to a mindset that they don't happen at all?

Both is good

Sure

It's interesting that such a thing could happen in an older system with an established set-up and strict rules. It makes me wonder, what is it that causes the brain to create a headmate, exactly? Outside of intentional creation. There have been times where Yuka or I were tempted to create a new tulpa, and times when Yuka obsessed over OCs, but we always felt that it was impossible for these ideas or characters to become new headmates without deliberately going ahead with it and interacting. Yet, we know having ideas for headmates and characters do become hedamates in other systems. I suppose there is a possibility for unintentional headmates in any system if something happens, but I don't know what the something is.

Aya

It's interesting that such a thing could happen in an older system with an established set-up and strict rules. It makes me wonder, what is it that causes the brain to create a headmate, exactly? Outside of intentional creation. There have been times where Yuka or I were tempted to create a new tulpa, and times when Yuka obsessed over OCs, but we always felt that it was impossible for these ideas or characters to become new headmates without deliberately going ahead with it and interacting. Yet, we know having ideas for headmates and characters do become hedamates in other systems. I suppose there is a possibility for unintentional headmates in any system if something happens, but I don't know what the something is.

Luminesce: I wouldn't consider the Felights to have "set-up and strict rules", but I don't know what they've been up to for the last year or so I suppose (edited)

We also went through a major change recently, ie learning how to switch

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I guess there was an underlying assumption that since Gelato was sentient instantly, other entities could be instant, and since Dynamo has stolen front and blocked us out, others could do that too.

Yeah, again everything you said made sense... But it also warranted warning and recommendation to be stricter.